Bible Case for NO HAVE BABY!

Bible Case for 

NO HAVE BABY!

Scripture to back up why I think its wrong to have babies!

  Isaiah 13:8   And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them;
 they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: 
 they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

1st:  A horrible punishment from God is letting some guys know they will be in pain 
like a woman giving birth!.....normally never have to think about this;  
but if its so bad to me, why would I accept this precept of "nature" to put the girl I theoretically 
would really love, in this sort of punishment! 

Is it a punishment?

my answer is YES!!

Genesis 3:16

“Unto the woman he said,
 I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and 
thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children;
 and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.”

2nd Definitely a punishment the amount of pain they go through!;  
so one way to avoid this punishment would be to avoid having the babies right?
  I perceive, that is what I would do and if one is truly a believer and has faith,
 then they would be willing to wait until the after-life right?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvq49f51iBQ

ISAIAH 56:4   For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs 
 that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

5  Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place 
and a name better than of sons and of daughters: 
 I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

3rd point:  Eunuchs, as far as I understand, means like a barren man;
 a man that doesn't have babies, or can't have babies, or chooses not to have babies.  
 Sounds like God says he will reward them better than the sons and daughters!..
.so then its a reward?

Jesus in LUKE 23:29

28But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, 
weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. 

 29For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say,
 Blessed are the barren,
 and the wombs that never bare,
 and the paps which never gave suck. 

 30Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, 
Cover us. 31For if they do these things 
in a green tree, 
what shall be done in the dry? 

ISAIAH Chapter 32

9 Rise up, ye women that are at ease; hear my voice, 
ye careless daughters; give ear unto my speech.

10 Many days and years shall ye be troubled, 
ye careless women: for the vintage shall fail, the gathering shall not come.

11 Tremble, ye women that are at ease; be troubled, ye careless ones:
 strip you, and make you bare, and gird sackcloth upon your loins.

12 They shall lament for the teats, 
for the pleasant fields, for the fruitful vine.

4th:  who are they?  I'm not sure!...but as I remember at this point, the context of his message
 was that it was good to not have babies at least in those days for sure!..
 but its a help to an argument using scripture as the sword and shield to state its better to 
not have babies in this world presently in.

ISAIAH 54:1   Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; 
break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail
 with child: for more are the children of the desolate
 than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.

5th:  Clearly God, creator, is saying to woman to sing and be happy and rejoice 
like she won something by not having babies!.. she avoided a major punishment
 of woman by not having babies, I believe that is certainly true!...

 Jeremiah 16:1-4

1The word of the LORD came also unto me, saying, 2Thou shalt not take thee a wife, neither shalt thou have sons
  or daughters in this place. 3For thus saith the LORD concerning the sons and concerning the daughters that are born in this place, and concerning their mothers that bare them, and concerning their fathers that begat them in this land; 4They shall die of grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented;
 neither shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face  of the earth:
 and they shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and
 their carcases shall be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth.

(sounds like the Feast of the fowls at the end of the days as mentioned in
 Revelations and in the old testament of Ezekiel,
 please fear God and pay the respects due to make full good of these warnings)

  Jeremiah 4:31   For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, 
 and the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child,
  the voice of the daughter of Zion, that bewaileth herself...

6th ahh, pain...the first child must be a lot worse than its true; 
 the first one hurts more and after that its been opened already and stretched out
 so I guess it makes sense..but I just don't like it anymore at all. its too gruesome sounding..

  Jeremiah 13:21   What wilt thou say when he shall punish thee? 
for thou hast taught them to be captains,
 and as chief over thee: shall not sorrows take thee, 
as a woman in travail?

   Jeremiah 22:23   O inhabitant of Lebanon, that makest thy nest in the cedars,
 how gracious shalt thou be when pangs come upon thee, 
the pain as of a woman in travail!

7th:  Its not gracious and its a punishment;   and its a warning from God to man, 
that if you do wrong won't you get punished like a woman in travail or something? 
 HORRIBLE!! thus if I conclude its a horrible punishment how can I then justify
 wanting to put someone through it?

Prayer;  please God never let me have to go through pains
 like a woman in travail or anything like it;  
or like how Krillin from dragon ball z was depicted in those videos to help understand scripture; 
please help me;

I do believe that before the punishment it was different having babies;
  I don't know how exactly; but clearly different since it says greatly multiplying the pain..

8.24.18   2.34 A.M.  update

Thoughts:  Thus then, if we be towards the end of the world based on all the signs shown;
 we may be in a similar scenario

ECCLESIASTES 3:5  a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; 

1 JOHN 3: 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
 for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,
 because he is born of God.

Leviticus 12  WHY SIN OFFERING FOR HAVING BABY?

                                                                               

1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, 
If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: 
then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days
 of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.

5But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean 
two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of 
her purifying threescore and six days. 

6 And when the days of her purifying are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter,
 she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt offering, and a young pigeon,
 or a turtledove, for a sin offering, unto the door of the tabernacle 
of the congregation, unto the priest:

7 Who shall offer it before the LORD, and make an atonement for her; and 
she shall be cleansed from the issue of her blood. This is the law for her that hath
 born a male or a female.

8 And if she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two turtles,
 or two young pigeons; the one for the burnt offering, and the 
other for a sin offering: and the priest shall make an atonement for her, 
and she shall be clean.

MISCELLANEOUS

Jesus said in MATTHEW 24:19

19 And woe unto them that are with child, 
and to them that give suck in those days!

Jesus said in LUKE 21:22+23

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! 
for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

Jesus said in MARK 13:17

17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

This regarding HOSEA 9, I believe can be best understood when referencing the passage
 in ECCLESIASTES where the preacher saw all the oppressions done under the sun and praised the
 dead more than the living, and said that better than both the dead and the living was that which never
 existed.  We also have Jeremiah in the book of JEREMIAH wishing he was never born, and Jonah in 
JONAH wishing for death, and even Elijah wanting to not live.  So if the world is a painful place to exist,
 to bring a child into that world wouldn’t be righteous, and thus, 
God giving them a miscarrying womb could be a greatly misunderstood mercy! 
 Who would feel good about bringing a child into this world to have it 
be treated like the woman in Gibeah from Judges 19?

HOSEA 9

9 They have deeply corrupted themselves, as in the days of Gibeah: therefore 
he will remember their iniquity, he will visit their sins.

           

           

11 As for Ephraim, their glory shall fly away like a bird, from the birth, and from the womb, and from the conception.

           

12 Though they bring up their children, yet will I bereave them,
 that there shall not be a man left: yea, woe also to them when I depart from them!

           

13 Ephraim, as I saw Tyrus, is planted in a pleasant place:
 but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer.

           

14 Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

Only more recently did I see this prayer by Hosea as a prayer of Mercy and love.
 I wonder if others had similar experiences searching for the kingdom of God and his righteousness. 

Also remember Rachel died during giving birth to her 2nd Child,

Genesis 35:16 ...and Rachel travailed, and she had hard labour. ¹⁷And it came to pass, when she was in hard labour, that the midwife said unto her, Fear not; thou shalt have
this son also. ¹⁸And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing,
 (for she died) that she called his name Benoni:
 but his father called him Benjamin. ¹⁹And Rachel died...

Jeremiah 9:24 King James Version (KJV)

²⁴ But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the Lord which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the Lord.

Trying to understand the Curious Girdle and Breastplate of Judgement

EXODUS 28

Exodus 28 King James Version (KJV)

 And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.

² And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty.
³ And thou shalt speak unto all that are wise hearted, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
⁴ And these are the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a robe, and a broidered coat, a mitre, and a girdle: and they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
⁵ And they shall take gold, and blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen.
⁶ And they shall make the ephod of gold, of blue, and of purple, of scarlet, and fine twined linen, with cunning work.
⁷ It shall have the two shoulderpieces thereof joined at the two edges thereof; and so it shall be joined together.


8 And the curious girdle of the ephod, which is upon it, shall be of the same, according to the work thereof; even of gold, of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen. 9And thou shalt take two onyx stones, and grave on them the names of the children of Israel: 10Six of their names on one stone, and the other six names of the rest on the other stone, according to their birth. 11With the work of an engraver in stone, like the engravings of a signet, shalt thou engrave the two stones with the names of the children of Israel: thou shalt make them to be set in ouches of gold. 12And thou shalt put the two stones upon the shoulders of the ephod for stones of memorial unto the children of Israel: and Aaron shall bear their names before the LORD upon his two shoulders for a memorial. 13And thou shalt make ouches of gold; 14And two chains of pure gold at the ends; of wreathen work shalt thou make them, and fasten the wreathen chains to the ouches.

15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
 ¹⁶ Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.

¹⁷ And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
¹⁸ And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
¹⁹ And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
²⁰ And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.
²¹ And the stones shall be with the names of the children of Israel, twelve, according to their names, like the engravings of a signet; every one with his name shall they be according to the twelve tribes.
²² And thou shalt make upon the breastplate chains at the ends of wreathen work of pure gold.
²³ And thou shalt make upon the breastplate two rings of gold, and shalt put the two rings on the two ends of the breastplate.

EXODUS 28

12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

 ISAIAH 49

 18 Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee. As I live, saith the LORD, thou shalt surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament, and bind them on thee, as a bride doeth.

 REVELATION 21

19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

 REVELATION 18

12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.